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A little fencing

August 12, 2009

I’ve been promising to write about fencing for some time, so I thought I would start out with our sheep fence.   At this point in our farming operations, we now are only using sheep for mowing and weeding purposes.  Even with electric fencing our predator problems were too great to expand in this area too much.  Lamb is a popular meat though, and if you can fit sheep into your existing farm endeavors, I think this type of portable electric fence works very well.

I have found that most fencing companies and salesmen and then the farmers try to make electric fencing more difficult and expensive than it needs to be.  This fence is a little spendy, I think we paid $100 per 100 foot section, but that was ten years ago, and breaking that down, that only works out to $10 a year per section.  That is pretty cheap for something that is so darn handy.

Basic needs for fencing:
♣  An energizer or charger of some type – electric, battery, solar, and 1 or 2 ground rods.

♣  Fencing – wire, netting, or rope, most dependent on what species of animal you have.

♣  Misc tools and supplies – insulators, posts, hammer, recycled welding wire spools, etc

♣  A good attitude – an electric fence is a psychogical tool, not a torture device.  If you’re of the mindset of forcing your livestock everywhere, then build strong permanent fence and get yourself some dogs, and ATV’s and have at ‘er.
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This is Premier1 Electronet.  We have used Premier’s poultry netting, and this sheep fence for over 10 years.  I have to say it is a great product, holding up to much abuse. 

If you’re not familiar with this type of fencing the horizontal wires are electric and the vertical struts are not.  When I am using it during the grazing season I usually just leave it lying like this, near the next grazing area.  For long term storage it should be rolled and bundled to avoid tangling.

This day I was going to start the sheep on the main garden headland.  They need to eat, and I want to keep the grass short to keep  the voles from getting too comfy, since fall is rapidly approaching, and my root crops are developing.  Clean tillage and short grass is the bane of a vole’s life.  I would rather spend 10 minutes setting up fence than I would 1/2 hour or more changing implements on the tractor and getting ready to mow. 

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Pick up the fence and drag it to where you want to start, making sure you keep the wire from tangling in the post ends.  When that happens you wish you would have just went and beat your brains out on the three point hitch, *&#!!&  and mowed with the tractor. 

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 To start put your beginning post in the ground (not shown) and then walking backwards, feed out the next post, laying the fencing where you want to have your fence line.  I am not a fan of step- in posts, but this is a good place to use them.  You can tie the first post to a step-in post or to anything fixed where you start.  Or if you’re like me you just stab it in the bushes and call it good.  A lot depends on the animal and what you are trying to keep them out of, like the garden for instance. 

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 This shows the fence starting somewhere in that hedge…and I am walking backwards feeding out the fence. 

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After the fence is laid out, go back to the beginning and put in all the posts, keeping the fence taut, but not overly so.  In soft dirt this is pretty easy.  

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 Make sure that the bottom wire (non-conductive) is all that is touching the metal part of the post. 

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In sod, or very dry conditions, wiggle the plastic post a little as you are pushing down.  I have found in some of our poorer pastures, that locating this near a dandelion works better.  The dandelion root is making your soil better, and the earthworms will be concentrated there too, making the soil softer and more friable. 

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If you want to make a corner, or irregular shaped paddock, use a step-in post.  This is a Power Post from Premier.  They work pretty good and we bought them when we purchased the fencing.  They are a little brittle though, so I always store them in the shade when not in use. 

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 If you need to get in or out of your fence you can just step it down.  It makes the sheep think you have magical powers ;)  

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 Insert sheep.  

With three sheep, and the conditions of the grass, I will probably leave them 3 days, and then build another fence section to move them into.

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 Run power to the fence.  

I just run a spool of wire from the charger, or nearby electric fence, to the wire in any place that is convenient for me, it doesn’t have to be wired to the end of the netting.  The wire is wrapped on the spool, and and looped to the top wire of the netting, then the spool is just resting on top of the rebar post.

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Not your fancy clips and reels that you see for sale.  But works for us!

It’s easy to spend a lot of money on all the supplies in the catalogs, but it’s not necessary.  I move fence everyday.  Simple rules I learned about thread when I learned to sew as a child can be applied to wire.  I can make my fencing harder to do physically, or I can work smart and make it go easy.  A geared reel is not the end all of a fence.  But, appearances can be more important, than frugality and functionality.  I’ve been happy with our hick style fencing supplies.  Hick style is a good way to start, and if you want to work up to buying all the reels and other add-ons you can.  But this has and does serve us well.

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14 Comments leave one →
  1. August 12, 2009 11:51 am

    Nicely done! Clap, Clap, Clap.

    Linda
    http://coloradofarmlife.wordpress.com/

  2. bhdc permalink
    August 12, 2009 4:00 pm

    I read a lot of blogs via Google Reader, but yours is one of the few that I actually add tags to for future reference. Your knowledge is so valuable – thanks for educating us!

  3. August 12, 2009 4:47 pm

    Fantastic, thank you! I was just looking at poultry netting from Premier1 last night. They have a free shipping deal on orders over $100 right now.

    I wonder if this type of fence would work with goats. I could do with my goats thinking I have magical powers.

    • August 12, 2009 8:20 pm

      Sarah, it should work with the goats, I think this is 42″ and now they have a taller version. Goats and sheep are much harder to fence than cows and pigs – but this has worked so well. The only time I have problems is if I don’t put the power to the fence, and they run out of food. Everybody (animals, that is) here is pretty good at getting me to look them in the face when they need something, which usually means move that fence! If I look the other way, they start making noise.

      I think I am probably dreaming on the magical power part, they know they are the boss of me!!

      Trace’s first electric fence “lesson” ended up with him being wrapped up in this sheep netting like a puppy burrito – he steers clear of it if it is up, but he is pretty brave when it is just lying there all innocent looking… :)

      • Doris permalink
        August 12, 2009 9:49 pm

        I bought some of Premiers poultry netting and everyone (horse, cow, sheep, goats and chickens) respects it even though I don’t think my charger puts out much bite. Even so, no bite at all equals animals getting tangled and that is just not good.

        So when you hook up the charger, is the electricity supposed to make a loop? the red positive side hooked to one side of the fence and the other end of the fence hooked to the black or green ground side? If this is wrong, what happens to the charger??

        Appreciate that you are so frugal, that’s what I need right now. Chargers at P1 are pricey so I am a bit confused as to exactly what I need to be effective for that poultry netting. 160 feet of neeting is equivelant to how many miles of fencing?? Also how many miles of wire does one need to put a perimeter around 5 acres?

        As far as predators do you have more than just coyotes?

        DH’s uncle keeps sheep on many acres near Statin, OR and he runs a single electric wire around the perimeter of the very large pastures at about a foot high. He does keep newborns and their dams in a special pen until they are conditioned to respect that hot wire. He says they will not even step over it if he drops it to the ground, he has to totally remove it if he expects them to move across that fence line.

        Anyways I appreciate being able to learn from you than making too many of my own dumb mistakes, I find that sometimes I try too hard to be frugal and it costs me more in the long run, so it’s nice to know that your system has been tested for years and is practical. Looking forward to more info as you post. Thank you!! I have a horse, a cow, goats, sheep and chickens so I have lots of info to absorb.

        • August 13, 2009 5:59 am

          Doris, your charger/energizer should have a ground wire connected to grounding rod(s), on our chargers that is a green nut and says “earth”, then the red nut goes to the fence. When the animal touches the fence they complete the circuit and feel the pulse.

          Look for a low impedance fence energizer, we use the Pel brand, and ours have been regular workhorses. We use battery, and electric, both work great. I wouldn’t be too worried about the miles of fence criteria, unless you live in the prairie and are actually fencing miles. The poultry netting does not need too big of charge to work properly. Here’s a link to a post from last season that might help a little for now, I need to reread it, but I think it is pretty spot on. I will do a new one and add to it pretty soon.

          http://matronofhusbandry.wordpress.com/2008/05/21/fence-post/

          We have cougars – and our farm is carved out to the forest, the pioneers weren’t coming here on the Oregon Trail, they just went right by ;) Stayton is more down in the valley – coyotes are probably about all they could expect to see there. The forest where I live is evergreen not decidous, so it is dark year round in the woods. Perfect habitat for large predators. The coyotes aren’t a threat to us, they hang out with the cows and calves and don’t cause a problem.

          Your DH’s uncle knows what he is doing, teaching the stock about the fence before turning them out. They learn pretty fast – we have a couple of cows like that, they will not step over the fence when it is off.

          Hope this helps.

  4. Duncan Page permalink
    August 13, 2009 4:15 am

    Very nice informative and instructional article. The pictures are a great help.

  5. August 13, 2009 9:53 am

    Superb exposition. I like the magical powers.

    We did without much in the way of fencing for awhile, except to keep some ducks in, but a couple of years ago we planned a major expansion in order to garden a quarter acre and have all the poultry doing slug patrol around, but not within, the perimeter thereof. And just as we were figuring out how to do this, blacktails showed up. Hadn’t seen them ever on our place (previous place, but not this one — and it was our 17th year here).

    They ate up the tomato plants.

    So when we did the fence, we got six-foot orchard fence and stretched seventeen gauge wire along the top — twice, for a height of eight feet, with flagging to flap in the breeze and bother their peripheral vision.

    I know they can hop this, but they never have, and my theory is that there’s enough mischief they can get into elsewhere that they don’t bother.

    So we garden, and tend the duck ponds, and such, and as the evening draws in upon us, the deer come out, with their new fawn, and browse along just across the fence from us. I think they regard us as family.

  6. August 13, 2009 10:38 am

    It’s interesting to see how other people fence. We use several rolls of six and seven foot posts a year so we have a pounder and it seems like we never finish………and this is just maintenance and not new fence :(

  7. August 13, 2009 12:22 pm

    Thank you thank you for this post…we really want to avoid the pitfall of unnecessary “necessary” things, and not having done it before, we’re totally new to even the basics. LOVE this, especially with the pictures to show the steps..thanks, Nita :)

    Robbyn

  8. Moon Over Martinborough permalink
    August 15, 2009 12:24 am

    Our fences were so bad that we had some wild sheep show up in our bottom paddock. My partner and I are newbie farmers and had no idea what to do. We must have looked pretty ridiculous chasing them out…

  9. angengland permalink
    August 15, 2009 11:32 am

    Thank you SO much for this post. When we move to our middle-of-nowhere acreage we will want a portable pen to allow the goats to help “brush hog”. I have saved this post to show my husband because this looks like exactly what we are looking for!

    Angela <

    Founder of The Untrained Housewife
    http://untrainedhousewife.com

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