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Hay fever

July 16, 2010

The good kind that is.

That’s not dust, that is pollen from the grass.  The smell is like the most beautiful bouquet.  And I don’t mean the smell of hay, I mean the smell of a diverse stand of grass and forbs in bloom.  Or maybe like TheJaneDear Girls new song, Wildflower…


I saw a dust devil of pollen, 6 more weeks of dry weather??  Or, do pollen devils not count? I don’t know, the moon is right, the sun and wind are right… .  This time of year you cut as soon as you see some good weather coming.  We don’t have it so bad here really, our summers are mostly dry anyway, if it’s dry here from July through September it’s not a drought, it is a normal Pacific Northwest summer.


I won’t bother you with a post about how to make large quantities of hay, we are more concerned about quality.  Most of the time discussions about making hay are all about horsepower, tonnage, and how many cuttings you can brag about.  Life in the Dilbert cubicle meets farming.  When you’re locked away in that cab, you are as isolated as the poor guy in his cubicle at Intel.  I can’t tell you how many bales of hay it took for my brother to wear the paint off the fender of his tractor while he rested his arm on the fender so he could watch the haybine and baler, and I have no idea really how many it has taken for Hangdog to keep it smooth after the initial paint was worn off.  But it’s a lot.  You have to look back at the equipment most of the time to make sure everything is working right, hence the polished fender.


Lots of things to see in the hayfield.


Or at the edge of the hayfield…

A mixed stand is good.

I think making hay is a continual process, it is so much more than just the mechanics and numbers of the actual harvesting.  The composted manure we apply to the hay fields takes all winter to gather in a deep bedding system, the barns are then cleaned, the bedding pack is piled and aged, and then spread on the hay fields.  Most hay sold is either fertilized with conventional fertilizers or bio-solids.  These fertilizers really make the grass grow tall, which makes for tonnage, which is important to hay sellers; they are selling by weight so they need to stretch those numbers.  But there is always a trade-off.  The conventional fertilizers don’t favor forbs, so the fields become monoculture grass stands and diversity goes out the window.  There is some very nutrients dense “weeds” in our hay.  Most conventionally raised hay, unless it is marketed as native grass hay, is re-seeded every few years to maintain a “clean” stand of whatever monoculture the hay farmer is selling.  Alfalfa, timothy, orchard grass are a few common ones.

It may be different in your area, but here in my town most of the hay that is sold, is kept separate from the workings of the farm, or even worse, most hay sellers in our local don’t even have livestock to help rejuvenate what they are taking off of their land.  It’s a continual cycle of mining  that pretty much goes un-noticed, even by people who are in the know about taking care of the earth.  Most times even if the hay seller has livestock he will keep the livestock in their designated areas, and never let them tread on the hay ground.  That’s fine if you’re well heeled and can afford to continue buying fertilizer and seed so the folks at the feed store make a decent living.  It doesn’t really help your farm, as you go farther and farther backwards in succession.  But a well-thought out symbiotic farm (Polyface comes to mind) where the inputs purchased and gathered are carbon in the form of wood chips, sawdust, and straw etc., to use in the bedding of the livestock on the farm during inclement weather, which in turn is composted and put on the hay ground that gets depleted by having less animal impact.  Not nearly as convenient as buying fertilizer for sure, and if you’re home spreading compost or manure on your fields, you don’t have time to be at the coffee shop bragging.

So, following the Polyface model, which is not new by any means, it is what farmers used to do when animals were a large part of farm life – we try to shepherd the livestock manure process as much as we can.  We don’t haul manure out in the winter when the soil is cold and dormant and can’t utilize it, we capture it with carbon that has been brought in and save it for when the pastures can handle it.  In our case, the composted manure gets spread on hay fields after harvest.  We have grazed the hay fields at least once prior to harvesting the hay, but the cows will not come back to the hay field for some time, so unlike where they can graze and can fertilize the paddocks themselves, the hay ground gets shorted without us stepping in and adding fertilizer.  Think of it as part of the Slow Food movement, only for livestock feed.  Instead of feeding the plant, we are feeding the soil.  Composted manure is alive and nurtures all the soil life.  Chemical fertilizers destroy that; they enable the grower to get a higher yield, but that is about it.

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  1. July 16, 2010 9:13 am

    My grandfather was a hay farmer in Southern California in the Los Angeles area back in the early 1900s. I have pictures of him on his horse-drawn equipment out in the middle of a field. He leased much of the land since his own farm was planted in corn, beans and other truck farm vegetables that he sold downtown at the farmer’s market. One field that he tended was near the Rancho La Brea Tar Pits where they were excavating dinosaur bones. http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/38/38_4/LaBrea.htm

    Now that area is in the middle of the city with high-rise buildings everywhere. Los Angeles sure has changed in the last century! – Margy

    p.s. He had hay fever of the bad kind. Not good for a hay farmer!

    • July 16, 2010 12:41 pm

      Margy, that is a great story, the link was great! Hard to believe a location can change so fast, and totally erase what came before.

      I’m glad we don’t have hay fever, that would be pretty hard to take if you had to do hay.

  2. July 16, 2010 11:15 am

    I so enjoy reading your posts. There is so much knowledge given out in them. We have just finished haying here. We use similar methods to you, to a much lesser degree. Our fields are grazed first in the spring by the horse and sheep, and we fertilize with bedding and manure from the horse farm across the road. Unfortunately this years hay was cut so late because of the weather, it is not that great, and also it ended up being baled a day later than it should. We seeded our fields with a pasture mix some 20 years ago, and not since. It is always interesting to watch the animals and see what they pick out to eat. Quite often they will bypass ‘just grass’, for something many people would consider a weed. They love dandelions, and our sheep seem to love buttercups, which works out great for pasture management. It was interesting after a particularily windy day to watch our horse pick up clumps of young broadleaf maple leaves that had blown off, and munch them down. Another horse we had used to wander into the bush in the spring and munch on the emerging salmonberry leaves. I feel sorry for animals that don’t get that opportunity to wander and get such a varied diet.

    • July 16, 2010 12:46 pm

      Karen, I wish we were done, but the grass is just at the right stage now, our elevation makes a huge difference. We have seen many idle fields closer to town and at lower elevations that already are brown with not a hint of green showing.

      My daughters horse has been enjoying nipping the Himalayan blackberry shoots – now if we could just get him to eat them full time…

      • July 16, 2010 1:48 pm

        Those blackberries would take over everything if given the chance! But…a fair bit of my income comes from those…blackberry jam and jelly sold at the market, as well as fresh picked blackerries, so I can’t complain too much. We just try to keep them under control.

        • July 17, 2010 5:14 am

          Karen, it’s definitely a love/hate relationship with those vines. And the flavor is great – as a kid my best friend’s family made blackberry syrup to sell to the tourists on weekends. So during berry season we had to pick for a certain # of hours before we could ride horses or play. They did a fairly brisk business with that canned syrup and it was sure good. I can’t believe know when I think of it, but we didn’t have any Himalaya’s here, just the Evergreens, and Pacific Trailing berries which both behave – it took about 20 years before the others made it here.

  3. Jen permalink
    July 16, 2010 11:38 am

    Your hay post comes at an excellent time! The hay I buy for my horses is from a fertilized field where they also occasionally use a broad-leaf herbicide. Of course, when my horses eat the hay and I spread their manure, I’m spreading herbicide on my pastures – which I am, BTW, trying to encourage to be more diverse. So I’d prefer to find an alternative source for my hay that doesn’t use herbicides, and now’s the time of year to do it.

    My problem is, what kind of hay is it called when you grow it the way you’re growing it? People around here have “Coastal” or “Tifton 85″ and it’s often advertised as fertilize and irrigated. But what do I ask for if I DON’T want fertilized monoculture? What kind of hay is that???

    Also, is Johnson Grass in your hay a concern where you are? Down here in Texas it’s a problem when it gets into the hay bales; it contains cyanide and nitrates, sometimes in deadly levels for horses.

    • July 16, 2010 12:59 pm

      Jen, you might look for certified organic grass hay but like here it is hard to find. There are so many types of hay and everyone has an opinion. Sometimes horse hay is sold as certified weed free, which also means herbicides, but no weeds. It’s different with horse too, if the hay is cut in the afternoon there is less fiber, and more sugars present which makes for great hay for ruminants, but not so good for horses – they don’t need the sugars…

      Biodynamic might be the next bet after organic, but most likely even harder to find, because in all actuality they shouldn’t really be selling their fertility. It is definitely a conundrum, and if you find a good source, hang on to it. These days lots of people make and sell hay that don’t even own livestock – they have no idea if their hay is palatable or not. Our cows don’t waste a stem of our hay, hay from our neighbors (low fertility) gets sorted through and most left for bedding.

      Our hay would just be local grass hay, but like anything else anyone with a baler or a pickup and trailer to haul hay think theirs or what they buy is just as good. Even though there can be a world of difference in management practices.

      We don’t have Johnson grass here locally, Bracken fern, Lupine and Tansy Ragwort are the most common poisonous weeds here in hay. The animals won’t eat the live plant, but if it is cured in the hay they may eat it.

      • Jennifer permalink
        July 18, 2010 3:26 am

        Thank you for all the great information. I did not realize that it matters what time of day your hay is cut… I have so much to learn! At least I will be able to ask better questions now as I search for a better hay supplier.

  4. July 16, 2010 11:51 am

    Wow….looks so wonderful….aaaachew!

    • July 16, 2010 1:00 pm

      Diane, I wish you could have smelled the field before it was cut, it was so nice. Sorry it would make you miserable :(

  5. July 16, 2010 12:44 pm

    Thank you for describing well managed hay production. We have similar issues here in Tennessee. While I’m always thankful that the local farmers are willing to sell me their fertility, it is so sad to see them line up for the government sponsored switch grass program (for bio fuel) rather than return to a true, multi purpose, biodynamic farm. Most are just too lazy.

    • July 16, 2010 1:10 pm

      Kristin, there will always be people willing to sell their fertility which makes it easier for us folks who want to build fertility. I still can’t believe a horse stable out here hauls off every bit of bedding and horse manure and buys in feed. Their pasture look s like an indoor/outdoor carpet. But, oh well, they deliver, so I am not complaining. Polyface is able to get woodchips to use for offal composting, even living in the forest here, we only see the brush crew every 2 or 3 years – makes me jealous!

      The hay guys here are all fighting over sewage sludge, err I mean bio-solids, they want to sell more hay so they can buy more new equipment which will allow them to cut and put up hay even faster even when the dew is on. If they would just wait until the dew is gone, the grass will have more sugars, it will cut easier and be more nutritious. But then a smaller tractor would do – and that just doesn’t do, it’s not powerful enough. Sigh.

  6. July 16, 2010 2:01 pm

    We’re just in the process of gathering up our yearly feed. We try and get as many different kinds as possible, put up as good as it can be put up for this season. Makes a huge difference in the winter as to how and how much they utilize it.

    • July 17, 2010 5:15 am

      Linda, yep here too – they slick up the good stuff, and the poor makes it into the bedding. They are the best judges in the end. They know what it good and bad. Hope your weather holds.

  7. July 16, 2010 3:11 pm

    Very timely post, as always! We just picked up our freshly baled hay from the field last night while the “Hay Lord” as we call him continued to bale (he was going faster than us, me driving the Dodge in 1st gear low range 4 wheel drive…very slow!, which caused a jam up twice as he caught up and needed to pass).

    I was pleased to see these bales seem greener than the past two years. They are also smaller (probably by 2-3 flakes per bale, they’re rectangular bales). That meant we got 168 home between the 20′ car trailer and in the back of the truck. Thank heavens for bale loaders…it really helped us as it was just DH and me.

    The Hay Lord uses chicken manure only, so his fields are very nice and diverse. My only “oh no” moment was when I noticed some lupine seed pods on the ground as I drove by…I knew there was lupine in one of the bales we’d just picked up or were about to pick up. Should we have passed these by? DH may have thrown them off after I stopped and told him. I’m not sure if dried lupine is a dangerous as live, or whether by ingesting seed pods the cattle would then help spread lupine in our pasture. What are your thoughts/experiences with this?

    • July 17, 2010 5:33 am

      Amy, 2 0r 3 flakes that is small…our small squares yield about 10 flakes unless of course, the knives need sharpening.

      We use a bale loader too – it’s amazing how much less hassle it is than hiring someone or watching the depreciation schedule on more expensive equipment. And it makes it doable with two people.

      According to Merck (great poisonous plant table) it is poisonous in all forms and stock is most like to eat the dried seed pods. We don’t have any in our fields, so I don’t have any experience with how stock would react if they ate it. I would err on the side of using those bales for something else, if you only got a few. It’s it went to seed you have just brought those seeds home. The best way to see what is going to be in your hay is to keep an eye on the field during the spring and see actually what is growing there before the grass gets tall. He might let you weed those out, but it might be a touchy subject too – so tread lightly :) It may be best to just figure out what part of the field is the cleanest and always pick-up your hay in that area.

  8. July 16, 2010 6:15 pm

    I let a neighbor hay my front field and the pasture this year. It worried me, I don’t like that the nutrition is leaving. In the end, I decided to use the money I’d have paid to have it cut and left there, to buy and spread soybean meal. It’s not the best solution, but until I have my own equipment it was the best I could come up with for this year.

    He’s about my age, a grain farmer. Interested in the hay for his son who lives next door to me and owns the cattle I’ve talked about. I asked him if he could identify any of the plants in the pasture for me and he just shrugged. “All weeds to me” he said.

    • July 17, 2010 5:40 am

      Hayden, you gotta do what you gotta do, you’re still getting you legs under you, so don’t worry about getting your hay cut, at least you fertilized which is more than some do. You would be better off to mine them by letting them pasture on your land. Maybe a barter for meat, and you get the manure and you know what your meat ate and the grass gets some stimulation and rejuvenation from having animals.

      A friend sent me this link about Allan Savory our Holistic Resource Management guru.

      http://seedmagazine.com/content/print/Greener_Pastures/

  9. July 17, 2010 5:31 am

    You are full of info-with cool pics..I’m lovin looking through your blog!

  10. July 17, 2010 7:33 am

    I saw a truck getting on the Guemes ferry with a full load of hay the other day…I didn’t even know people grew hay in the San Juan area! Love the pictures :)

  11. April permalink
    July 22, 2010 9:40 pm

    The hay is beautiful, I am jealous!

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