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Greenhouse Questions

December 15, 2011

The comment section on my last post about winter eggs was more interesting than the post itself!  Thank you all for all the good ideas and methods from all over.  Climates differ so much and it is so interesting to see how people cope with issues (like predators and weather) in their own locale.

Summer hens.

I wanted to answer a couple of questions from the comments and maybe clarify just how we use our greenhouses, since I don’t want to lead anyone astray while winter garden/farmstead planning is in season.  It’s pretty easy to get the wrong idea from just blog posts, or lack of information contained in said blog posts.  I suffer from the thinking that stating the obvious is boring to write about and therefore for you to read about.  I forget that sometimes the “obvious” is not really all that obvious.  Mea culpa.

First order of business – comments.

Anna in BC wanted to know if our chicken greenhouse is damp?  No, it isn’t except where it leaks.  We use straw, and add straw daily in wet or soiled areas.  In the winter, one vent is open for ventilation and on sunny or warm days (above freezing) the personnel door is open for more ventilation.  The door is closed at night to deter predators…  The old axiom, “if you smell manure, add carbon,” is the best rule of thumb to use no matter how deep your bedding is.  Hay doesn’t offer as much carbon and caps easier than straw or sawdust.  I start out with about 8″ of sawdust, straw, leaves and what-have-you and go from there as winter progresses.    For summer time use, I still add bedding as needed and add shade cloth on the south end.  All four vents are open, and both personnel doors are kept open at all times.

Is this a chicken dream house?  Probably not.  As chickens they have no choice or way to reason that if they get to go free, while they may be free and able to provide the best eggs on earth, their life span is probably about 2 weeks to 1 month in my location.  Sad but true, so it’s a choice we have made.  I’m not running a rescue operation, although I guess my friends who take my 18 month old hens are running a rescue operation, as they are rescuing my “old” hens from me!

Tammy wanted to know if I could recommend a book about different uses of greenhouses.  I have to say I have don’t know of any that explore more than just using the space for growing.  But as a simple building that is easy to construct, usually doesn’t require permitting, and it versatile on any type of homestead, I can’t think of a more useful type of building.  My DH said when we built our first one for market growing, that we would end up using it for something else.  He was right.  We grew mesclun, morphed in chickens and pigs and are now using the space for growing vegetables again.  All good uses, and easy to switch from one to another in a hoophouse.


So, here’s the skinny on our greenhouses – we have one large 30′ x 72′ semi-gable, and two smaller 20′ x 20′ semi-quonset greenhouses.   The large one is used for season extension of cool season hardy vegetables, and warm season crops like tomatoes and peppers.  Despite our Mediterranean type summers, text-book heat units are a push here in the Pacific Northwest.  Hoophouses help bring in a reliable  harvest for home gardeners and farmers alike.

As for our two smaller greenhouses, they are left over from our egg and turkey operation, in which we utilized them as brooders for chicks and poults.  We found that the natural light, and subsequent solar heat really was the best way for us to raise large quantities of chicks without too much infrastructure like a stick built building, which require more lighting and heat.  I still brood chicks in one, and use the other one for my mature hens.  I wrote about our present chick raising and plant starting uses in one of our small hoophouses here.

One thing we don’t do is mix chickens and human food at the same time with the only exception being baby plants and baby chicks.  Why is that?  Hens scratching all that fecal matter into the bedding creates fecal dust that settles on everything.  Many times it isn’t even discernible to the eye, but adding that to salad greens, or other harvest ready foodstuffs isn’t a good idea.  So think rotation, just like in your garden.  Animals, and food are separate crops and while it’s OK to follow animals with crops, it’s not safe to house animals and harvestable crops at the same time.

I’m not saying rush out and build yourself a hoophouse, but if you have one or want to build one, you can really make them pay for themselves in a season or two, either with more food for your family, plants or animals to sell, or as a place to gather winter manure  from the livestock you have.  Just add carbon and you have the makings for the best garden or pasture compost you can think of.

The best tip I can think of, is build as big as you can afford, it is still a roof or potential growing space and it is pretty easy to fill it up.

Warm and cool season crops at the same time.

12 Comments leave one →
  1. December 16, 2011 2:35 am

    I would be very careful with the idea that greehouses don’t require permits.

    I have seen many permits pulled on greenhouses. It depends on an awful lot of factors.

    In North Carolina, for instance, agricultural buildings normally don’t have to pull a permit. But what exactly is agricultural can be a little tricky in of itself. I know of people who (for reasons I never did figure out) had to pull a permit to fix their barn up.

    • December 16, 2011 6:43 am

      Russell, yes, it does depend on location and style of greenhouse, size and intended use and the most important of all zoning. Our farm had been in existence as a farm for over 100 years when the county changed our zoning. We are now “allowed” to farm as a conditional use…meanwhile just a few miles to the west in the same county people who aren’t farming but have ample property are allowed a tax deferral because of course they are in a “farming” zone.

  2. December 16, 2011 3:46 am

    Thanks for the additional information. 🙂

  3. December 16, 2011 6:43 am

    Matron, you must have been busy; I was getting a little worried when I didn’t see a post for so long! A couple of questions and a request on another topic, if you would be so kind. How do these hold up to wind? And you said you used them for pigs — were the pigs ringed and did you have any trouble with them being too hard on the structure?

    The request has to do with minerals — I finally managed to catch up on all your previous posts and you’ve mentioned minerals a number of times. Could you do on full post on the subject? Things like what you use, did you do soil testing, brands and where to get them would be appreciated by me and I suspect many of your readers. Thanks, and have a wonderful Christmas!

    • December 16, 2011 7:48 am

      Bee, you know we don’t get any wind here, although it was blowing 87 mph the other day just down the road. There is a CSA farmer near here that is the 40 mph wind zone and she doesn’t have any problems with her hoophouses. A lot depends on site selection and which way you orient the building to the wind. These use the channel and spring lock so they are pretty tight. We’ve had more trouble with snow and ice load than wind, since we live right where the weather is always a mix, we had ice yesterday, while Portland basked in the rain. With pigs, we added hog panels on the inside to keep the pigs from pushing off the chicken wire we have on the sides to keep critters out. The panels can then be removed when the pig wintering is done. Worked real well, with the exception of keeping hungry hogs during the cold months…it takes lots of feed to keep piggies warm in the winter. I just buy weaners now when I have a cow in milk which usually coincides with warmer weather.

      I use free choice minerals with the cows and the current lot that I am using is Thorvin kelp, Fertrell Nutribalancer, & Sea 90 or Redmond Salt. All are available through Azure except Fertrell, but you can usually find a dealer somewhere close if anyone is doing pastured poultry. I use the Poultry Nutribalancer for my cows.

      Thanks for thinking of me, sometimes my day-to-day stuff seems pretty boring so I don’t feel like writing 🙂

  4. PeterPansDad permalink
    December 16, 2011 9:01 am

    Bought a 20×96 on CraigsList from a local nursery going out of business. We’re trying to put it together again as a 20×30 and a 20×60. You can really save some money if you are willing to shop around a bit…and put in the work. But if you keep livestock you obviously aren’t afraid of work. Or manure. Or sick animals. Or bad weather. Or struggling desperately to finally get that one thing done and then redoing it after it falls apart. (Sigh…)

  5. December 16, 2011 9:07 am

    Love your pic of the baby chick:)

  6. December 16, 2011 5:11 pm

    “The best tip I can think of, is build as big as you can afford, it is still a roof or potential growing space and it is pretty easy to fill it up.”

    Great advice!

    Lesson learned!

    It only took a spring of vegetable starts in the greenhouse to realize our 8×16 was already too small! We have had it for 3 seasons now and have found ways to fill every usable inch. It will make a nice hot house once we get a bigger one though. There isn’t too much heat loss, so it can get 100-120 on a nice summer day. We have seen greater temp readings, but we don’t know how true our thermostat is. Great post. I enjoy reading your thoughts about husbandry and growing.

  7. December 22, 2011 3:46 am

    Great tips, while we don’t have space for a big on here, we do the small version with tiny hoops for crops. Someday I dream of having a big one and a few chickens as well. Great idea to have one for the chickens, I’m thinking it’s perfect for cooler weather seasons.

  8. April 4, 2014 3:13 pm

    Details are never dull. Thanks for this post. Especially the build big advice. We’ve been doing simple stock panel greenhouses for years but want to setup something bigger and more permanent. I’ve been dithering on the size and will go for it. This is our summer project to have ready for next coming winter.

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